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Thursday, June 26, 2008
Friday, June 06, 2008
Thanks to Budjette, here's Invincible Iron Man writer Matt Fraction's reaction to comments about the Triumph Division...
(Taken from the Jinxworld Forums)
SPOILERS, for people that haven't read the issue,and might want to avoid a small spoiler for IIM #4:
Respectfully, I disagree. It wasn't poorly researched; I promise-- but it was written for a predominantly American comics audience, which resulted in me making some choices for ease-of-reading rather than absolute cultural accuracy. I made that call because I felt if I had to explain and contextualize things for every reader, it would've slowed the story to a halt. Were I writing a Filipino team for a Filipino audience it would have been different.
I know Mongoose aren't indiginous to the Philippines, but they ARE there, and had i time and space to talk about the character, I would've and i think it would've made sense (it's a reference to his kung fu fighting style, but how do you casually bring that up at a ceremony like that?). St. George I disagree with-- as a judeo-christian and catholic icon, I think that's an appropropriate name, especially for the religious makeup of the country.
And as I said elsewhere upthread, I'm introducing the team twice-- read the whole story before you condemn me for creating a team just to kill them off.
I know there's been issue with the use of the faux-Buddhist/Krishna-ish monks in the scene, but as the Philippines is mostly Roman-Catholic, I wanted to pick a visual signifier for a religion and a religous group and its practitioners that, in both countries (the US and the Philippines), indicated a signifigantly small minority. To dress the bombers in a way that immediately suggested a devout religious group, and a somewhat.... not necessarily mysterious, but an exotic one. they were SUPPOSED to a startling and rare group of people, which is exactly what they were.
(this issue saw the first real editorial content note I've ever received: in the inital drafts of the script, the monks were children. the bombers were supposed to be nearly a-religious...)
I talked to a couple Pinoy friends, both here and in the Philippines (at one point even toyed with doing the whole scene in Tagalog) about the characters and the scene and felt comfortable with the way it ran. The mongoose was the one issue that came up and it was one that I chose to make (ultimately, it's a name, and just struck me as-- well, a name. Is "Green Lantern" too American a name? Etc. etc.). The rest I'd argue with similar to how I have here on the basis factual or artistic decisions.
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What I have to say...
If that's the intent for the monks, well, okay. But the intent wasn't clear in the comic itself, and it doesn't have to be explained in an online forum so that Pinoy readers would "get" it, right? For me, the monks still seemed out of place.
As for the heroes not being "Filipin-ized," I really don't have a problem with that. I don't know why some folks insist that Pinoy superheroes should have a Pinoy flavor in their names or appearances. Is Captain Barbell a Pinoy name? Nope. Likewise, is Batman an American-sounding name? Not really.
Anyway... Immortal Iron Fist ROCKS. Hey, that got me to thinking... are the Chinese cultural references there accurate? Just wondering...
(Taken from the Jinxworld Forums)
SPOILERS, for people that haven't read the issue,and might want to avoid a small spoiler for IIM #4:
Respectfully, I disagree. It wasn't poorly researched; I promise-- but it was written for a predominantly American comics audience, which resulted in me making some choices for ease-of-reading rather than absolute cultural accuracy. I made that call because I felt if I had to explain and contextualize things for every reader, it would've slowed the story to a halt. Were I writing a Filipino team for a Filipino audience it would have been different.
I know Mongoose aren't indiginous to the Philippines, but they ARE there, and had i time and space to talk about the character, I would've and i think it would've made sense (it's a reference to his kung fu fighting style, but how do you casually bring that up at a ceremony like that?). St. George I disagree with-- as a judeo-christian and catholic icon, I think that's an appropropriate name, especially for the religious makeup of the country.
And as I said elsewhere upthread, I'm introducing the team twice-- read the whole story before you condemn me for creating a team just to kill them off.
I know there's been issue with the use of the faux-Buddhist/Krishna-ish monks in the scene, but as the Philippines is mostly Roman-Catholic, I wanted to pick a visual signifier for a religion and a religous group and its practitioners that, in both countries (the US and the Philippines), indicated a signifigantly small minority. To dress the bombers in a way that immediately suggested a devout religious group, and a somewhat.... not necessarily mysterious, but an exotic one. they were SUPPOSED to a startling and rare group of people, which is exactly what they were.
(this issue saw the first real editorial content note I've ever received: in the inital drafts of the script, the monks were children. the bombers were supposed to be nearly a-religious...)
I talked to a couple Pinoy friends, both here and in the Philippines (at one point even toyed with doing the whole scene in Tagalog) about the characters and the scene and felt comfortable with the way it ran. The mongoose was the one issue that came up and it was one that I chose to make (ultimately, it's a name, and just struck me as-- well, a name. Is "Green Lantern" too American a name? Etc. etc.). The rest I'd argue with similar to how I have here on the basis factual or artistic decisions.
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What I have to say...
If that's the intent for the monks, well, okay. But the intent wasn't clear in the comic itself, and it doesn't have to be explained in an online forum so that Pinoy readers would "get" it, right? For me, the monks still seemed out of place.
As for the heroes not being "Filipin-ized," I really don't have a problem with that. I don't know why some folks insist that Pinoy superheroes should have a Pinoy flavor in their names or appearances. Is Captain Barbell a Pinoy name? Nope. Likewise, is Batman an American-sounding name? Not really.
Anyway... Immortal Iron Fist ROCKS. Hey, that got me to thinking... are the Chinese cultural references there accurate? Just wondering...
The death of J'onn J'onzz... what a waste, eh?
Anyone who's read Final Crisis will know what I'm talking about. Here's a scan of the death scene...
Man, such an ignoble way to die. Hunted down and slaughtered just like that. Who'd have thought it would be so easy?
Wait a minute... it shouldn't be so easy. since Martian Manhunter is almost at the same power class as Superman, and has been at the hero game since the 1950s. You'd think he would have been in worse situations than that.
But no... his death was shameful. No self-sacrificing death. No heroic demise. Just plain pffffffffttt. Heck, even C-list GL Corpsman Arkis Chummuck died saving his fellow Green Lanterns.
I'll just comfort myself in the fact that it was a Skrull impersonator who died. Really, have you seen the chin J'onn was sporting before his death?
So, Mr. Michael Netzer, I hope DC takes you up on your offer after Final Crisis is done.
Anyone who's read Final Crisis will know what I'm talking about. Here's a scan of the death scene...
Man, such an ignoble way to die. Hunted down and slaughtered just like that. Who'd have thought it would be so easy?
Wait a minute... it shouldn't be so easy. since Martian Manhunter is almost at the same power class as Superman, and has been at the hero game since the 1950s. You'd think he would have been in worse situations than that.
But no... his death was shameful. No self-sacrificing death. No heroic demise. Just plain pffffffffttt. Heck, even C-list GL Corpsman Arkis Chummuck died saving his fellow Green Lanterns.
I'll just comfort myself in the fact that it was a Skrull impersonator who died. Really, have you seen the chin J'onn was sporting before his death?
So, Mr. Michael Netzer, I hope DC takes you up on your offer after Final Crisis is done.
Thursday, June 05, 2008
Ooookaayyy... can someone explain this to me?
In the latest issue of Invincible Iron Man (#2, to be exact), a super-team from the Philippines is introduced called the Triumph Division...
A bunch of cool-looking heroes, right? What's got me confused is this...
What the heck are Buddhist monks doing in Manila??!?! The Philippines is a predominantly Catholic country, and we also have a sizeable amount of Muslims, too. Where did these Buddhists come from? Did they confuse Thailand for the Philippines?
Would it kill Marvel to actually do some research? Couldn't they have just asked Leinil Yu about the Philippines?
Seriously, WTF?!?!
One thing they got right... pot-bellied policemen guarding the whole shebang. :P
In the latest issue of Invincible Iron Man (#2, to be exact), a super-team from the Philippines is introduced called the Triumph Division...
A bunch of cool-looking heroes, right? What's got me confused is this...
What the heck are Buddhist monks doing in Manila??!?! The Philippines is a predominantly Catholic country, and we also have a sizeable amount of Muslims, too. Where did these Buddhists come from? Did they confuse Thailand for the Philippines?
Would it kill Marvel to actually do some research? Couldn't they have just asked Leinil Yu about the Philippines?
Seriously, WTF?!?!
One thing they got right... pot-bellied policemen guarding the whole shebang. :P
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